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GALLERY 6. TREASURE

TREASURE COINS FROM THE OLD WORLD

 THE SPANISH MAIN 

SUNKEN TREASURE FROM THE ADVENTURES OF 10 LIFETIMES

Our first coin [NOTE: Notice, all this information was before I had the coin graded, as this is a centerpiece of my coin collection.  Notice also, the certificate shows the coin before grading. Neato huh?] has a great history and it will be included.  Should you want to own it, along with it you get all the history, and a certificate from me, Capt. Brian.  I have been seeking and trading treasure for over 30 years.

It is an 8 Escudo circa 1711-12, minted in Mexico City by the Spanish and is identified as an 8E (8 escudo) This coin, upon very close inspection can be seen to have a minute barnacle stuck to it.  Below in the picture section is a copy of the actual certificate and on its reverse is a full explanation of Spanish Treasure.

I have had great adventures in my life, including Mt.Everest, The Great Wall, The Taj Mahal and more.   Hunting and trading treasure, for me, has truly been the adventure of 10 lifetimes.  I hope to share it with you with some of my collection. 

The 1st coin below is an 8E or 8 Escudo see picture for full description. Due to some photo limitations, I will reproduce the wording on the certificate below so you can appreciate the coin to the fullest.  I will add in my part in its story.

The story of my 8 E

Long ago, on a seemingly different planet, I was a Jack of all trades, not because I wasn't focused or didn't know where I was going, but I couldn't figure out how to make a living until I started the Manatee Queen Sightseeing boat in Jupiter, Florida.  I ran that with the fever of any entrepreneur and did everything I could do to make income to the fullest to fulfill a dream of going in a sailboat around the world especially to the South Pacific.

Well, to make a long story a bit shorter, it just wasn't to be due to myriad factors, mainly, it kept gettin' more and more expensive as time went by.

I lived on my sailboat and hobnobbed with many characters which is a whole nuther story for another day.  Suffice to say, one of the fellows was a treasure hunter who found the San Miguel del Archangel here in the waters off Jupiter Beach. So, I got the idea of finding treasure and when I did, I sold it on the boat.  That led to buying coins from the El Cazador, which is another whole saga.  (I still have two of the coins and we'll get into that later.

ANYWAY, with a huge bite from the Treasure Bug, I started seeking coins to sell by any means: Coin shows, jewelry stores, pawnshops, you name it.  I met many more characters.  

So, one day, at a local jeweler, I found this 8E in his case, he didn't want it, just took it in for a debt.  Well, I bought it and had it for a while.   In my wanderings, I met a very important person in the treasure world and come to find out, my coin was hers originally, and through various means, it is now mine.  And, the real reason for all this is I am 73, and it's time to pass on my treasures to stronger hands.  Read the text about this coin and you will just have to have it.

Sunken Treasure From the adventures of 10 lifetimes

The fabled EIGHT ESCUDO, the romantic heavyweight of the treasure of the Spanish Main, ranks among the rarest and most desirable of the New World coins.  Weighing precisely one Spanish ounce*, una onza, the coin is most correctly called by its denomination, Ocho Escudo 

(pronounced ess-ku doe).  It carries the nicknames, the "doubloon**" and I call it the "Pirates Paycheck".  Below are some of the names by which the coin was commonly known.  Smaller coins were also issued in silver by the Spanish Colonial Mint and also valued as "Reales".  CUATRO (4) Reales, Dos - (2 reales) and un (1) reales (1/4 ounce).  And like gold counterparts, were called 'Dos Reales', and so on...or in Spanish,.."La Media Onza" or half an ounce, or the 2 (Dos) was simply called "a reale".  The monetary relationships between the gold and silver was a ration of 1 escudo (gold coins were called "escudos"***) equaling 16 silver reales -1 Reale equivalent to 1 dollar during the U.S. Colonial Period.

The undersigned being involved with the salvors of sunken treasure, artifact masters and business for nearly two decades, hereby certifies that this coin is authentic and is an original 8 escudo, part of the treasure recovered from 

The Plate Fleet sunk in 1715

On the reverse of this certificate is information regarding the wreck site,their history, destination and mission, which met its demise in the Straits of Florida.

As there were 14 ships sunk in the storm in the same area, with all the treasure which was there, it's impossible to say which ship it was from.

The site is the Dave Luke Trench, denomination 8Escudo, Mint, Mexico City, Ruler: King Charles, Identification Full Bar, Date 1710-1712, Weight, 25.8 Grams

Signed by me.

*Coins weighed one ounce when they left the mint, when subjected to a few centuries of mother nature, some of the material was eroded away by electrolysis.  **Se revers for "doubloon" description.  ***The word 'escudo' means shield, and so on some coins shields will be seen.


NOW ON TO THE REVERSE OF THE CERTIFICATE 


NUMISMATIC SIGNIFICANCE AND INFORMATION

RECOVERED FROM THE SHIPWRECKS OF THE PLATE FLEET, SUNK IN 1715

The wrecking of the Plate Fleet is a loss of a magnitude not eclipsed by ANY other tragedy in the annals of the sea [outside of warfare] and a huge historical significance.  The Treasure of the Plate Fleet was to affect the whole being of several years of work by the Spanish.  Sending gold and silver to the old world as they looted the Americas of its wealth.  One of the most interesting facts of this fleet was it had probably the greatest amount of treasure piled up on the docks of Havana as the problems in Spain kept the shipments here until these issues were solved, so much more treasure was on board than usual.  

See: (there are sites noted on the back of your certificates which can enhance your knowledge of this coin and the fleet and its treasure.

After the links I continue:  NOTE: Page23 of the last link is regarding my home town here in Florida, Tequesta, and Jupiter. My office is about 1000 yards from the wreck of the San Miguel del Archangel, sunk in 1569. and I wear coins around my neck, but people keep buying them. I wore those coins for a long time, now I only have a few left. 

Further reading can be found by simply going to "1715 Plate Fleet" in your browser.

The obverse: Many identifying marks can be read clearly, truly a wondrous find.

Reverse:  The cross and shields are remarkably visible.  What history is written here.

The item described above is guaranteed authentic and genuine for life.  If ever found to be not genuine, purchase price will be refunded.  original receipt must accompany any returns

My signature

and the last line is about the boat I owned, no longer around.

Phone number is no longer in service.

*c

The 1711 coin below has added to its mystique.  At the FUN show in Orlando, a person put a big deposit on this coin and we had an agreement on how we would finish the trade.  The person has not yet contacted me so, for now, it's in limbo.  I cannot sell it but I have a feeling that the deal is off for some reason, she lost the contact information or who knows what. SO...  I will hold the coin for 30 days and if she doesn't show up by Feb 14th, 2020, it'll go back on the market.  If you want it, a small deposit will hold it until I put it back on the market.  Thanks for understanding.

1711-12 8E Rev

1711-12 8E Rev

$7,500.00

1711-12 8E Obverse

Media onza gold necklace Plate Fleet

The next item, right off my wife Helen's neck is a flat drop-dead treasure coin with Platinum and Irridium bezel to dazzle any evening gown or attire.

It's certified and I have another I will show also which is not in a bezel, but I may grade it, or you can have it made into a necklace or I can do it for you.  Feast your eyes.

WHERE DO I BEGIN?

The Certificate to the right is signed by Robert Weller.  That alone is a fact which busts the buttons off my vest.  You see, LCDR Weller was quite a driving force in the world of treasure, not to mention his lovely wife Margaret who became the 1st lady then Queen of treasure.  Sometimes stories just can't be shortened when all the facts are important.  AS you know, certificates, paperwork and associated authentication methods are what can make a treasure hold and increase in its value.  Here, that couldn't be truer and here is the story.

Robert M, Weller, LCDR USNR, Ret., (Bob, was born on 20 May 1925 in Monroe, Michigan to Orla D. Weller and Mildred Speer Weller.  Early in his life, Bob, his older Brother Marvin, and their Mom moved to Wyandotte, MI with Gramps and Grandma Speer.  Bob grew up learning discipline, and life's rules in the Boy Scouts, eventually becoming an Eagle Scout.  This was to stick with him throughout his stints in the U. S. Navy during WWII and the Korean Conflict.  As a Navy Ensign, then a Lieutenant, he headed up the recently formed Underwater Demolition Team One (UDT 1) based in Coronado, CA.  The Team was sent on crucial missions on the North Korean coasts, where they were to destroy enemy bridges and tunnels.  It was there that he earned some of his numerous medals, including the Purple Heart and the Bronze Star for bravery.

After attending Williams College (MA) and the University of Delaware and earning bachelors' degrees in Architecture and Civil Engineering, Bob became a program manager and marketing and sales manager with corporations including Honeywell and Lab Data Control.  But seawater ran in his veins, and he was working underwater at every opportunity.  In the 1960s, Bob, along with just

a handful of other divers, first discovered the hulks of the 1733 Spanish silver fleet galleons in the Keys.  His first gold find, a wedding band from the site of  El Infante, set the pace for his successful career (avocation) as a finder of sunken treasure.  After moving from the Miami area to the Palm Beaches, he and his primary diving partner, his wife Margaret, Bob "FROGFOOT" Weller began seeking and finding a prodigious amount of artifacts and treasures--Some of headline proportions-- from the 1715 Spanish fleet which sank off Florida's Treasure Coast.  

Out of their successes in both arenas, Bob wrote numerous articles and eight books about sunken treasure,  He also was instrumental in launching PLVS VLTRA newsletter and co-produced Treasure Quest Magazine during 1997 and 1998.  These articles and publications are considered part of the knowledge base regarding the activities of the Spanish galleon activities in the Americas during the 1500s to 1800s.  

The Robert and Margaret Weller Collection of Sunken Treasures is a body of artifacts which is currently on tour (at this writing a few years ago) in the U.S. at various museum venues.  Patriot, athlete, historian, diving pioneer ...these are part and parcel ...of what made up the man we all knew and admired as 'Frogfoot".  

In addition t his wife of 35 years, Margaret Ann Mathews Weller, and his brother Marvin (Velma) Weller of Hope Hull, AL, Bob is survived by his sons Robert W.(Rebecca), and Patrick D Weller, all of Orlando area; Donald K. (Patricia) Weller of Springhill, Fl; Alan J. (West Palm Beach) and Robert E. Weller (Miami); numerous grandchildren; several great-grandchildren and one Great-Great grandchild; pous a multitude of friends and colleagues.

I still miss Bob.

I might add, that the first coin in this section was once owned by Bob and Margaret Weller... 

Oddly enough, all three gold treasure coins here, are $7,500.00 each

These prices are in reality over 4 years old, and after a conversation with Capt. A. the wreck finder of the San Miguel del Archangel,  he says these are underpriced.  but for now...

NOTE: Robt. Weller Signature

Three more Spanish Treasure coins available, but I have access to more such as another nice one-ounce gold 8 Escudo

The 1st one below is an 1807 8 Reale, from Bolivia (remembering the Spanish were in charge then) Its a great representation, even with the graffiti and the chop marks make it a great representation, great relief.  Still a great profile of such coins.

1807 8R Bolivia $250.00

VF Details but nice example

1807 8 Reale Rev

1807 Rev

I have access to many more similar treasure coins, both machine-made, and from cobs.